1 00:01:11,860 --> 00:01:14,215 ♪ All we do is hide away 2 00:01:15,900 --> 00:01:18,937 ♪ All we do is, all we do is hide away 3 00:01:19,420 --> 00:01:21,888 ♪ All we do is lie and wait 4 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:26,458 ♪ All we do is, all we do is lie and wait 5 00:01:27,340 --> 00:01:30,491 ♪ I've been upside down 6 00:01:31,060 --> 00:01:34,655 ♪ I don't wanna be the right way round 7 00:01:34,740 --> 00:01:38,016 ♪ Can't find paradise on the ground ♪ 8 00:02:05,380 --> 00:02:06,654 - Hi. - Hey. 9 00:02:07,860 --> 00:02:10,454 - I thought you'd be asleep. - No, Flo had a nightmare. 10 00:02:11,620 --> 00:02:13,053 Oh, no. Is she all right now? 11 00:02:13,500 --> 00:02:15,730 Fine, yeah. I think she's just feeling a bit unsettled. 12 00:02:17,580 --> 00:02:19,059 Yeah, sorry about that, 13 00:02:19,140 --> 00:02:20,778 the brief came in just as I was leaving and... 14 00:02:20,860 --> 00:02:22,691 Well, your clerk said that you weren't in the office? 15 00:02:24,780 --> 00:02:27,817 Well, I went to The Oaks to have some supper while I worked. 16 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:42,579 What was it like, Col? 17 00:02:43,300 --> 00:02:44,733 The city in the '80s. 18 00:02:45,540 --> 00:02:47,690 Was it really as brutal as everyone says? 19 00:02:50,380 --> 00:02:52,496 Why don't you just ask me outright, Simon? 20 00:02:52,580 --> 00:02:54,616 Did it screw me up so much I could have killed someone? 21 00:02:55,420 --> 00:02:56,455 Did it? 22 00:02:58,660 --> 00:02:59,809 No, it didn't. 23 00:03:06,980 --> 00:03:09,574 I know I've messed up here, hugely, but, please... 24 00:03:10,940 --> 00:03:12,214 Please... 25 00:03:12,700 --> 00:03:15,134 Can I never have to answer that question again? 26 00:03:49,140 --> 00:03:51,495 - Hello. - Hi. 27 00:04:03,340 --> 00:04:05,058 I went for a drive. 28 00:04:08,380 --> 00:04:12,453 To... think how I could explain to you... 29 00:04:13,540 --> 00:04:15,132 ...what happened to me. - What happened to you? 30 00:04:15,220 --> 00:04:17,336 So someone did this to you, did they? 31 00:04:18,620 --> 00:04:20,372 You had nothing to do with this decision? 32 00:04:20,460 --> 00:04:22,052 Of course I had something to do with it. 33 00:04:25,500 --> 00:04:29,857 What I wanted to explain was, at that point in my life, 34 00:04:30,620 --> 00:04:32,895 I believed, wrongly, obviously... 35 00:04:34,660 --> 00:04:36,093 ...that I had no other choices. 36 00:04:37,060 --> 00:04:39,779 Since when does becoming 37 00:04:39,860 --> 00:04:43,409 a prostitute end up a woman's only choice in life? 38 00:04:44,620 --> 00:04:45,894 What has to have gone wrong 39 00:04:45,980 --> 00:04:48,210 for that to be the best option available to you? 40 00:04:48,300 --> 00:04:50,018 I mean, you weren't a kid, Sara. 41 00:04:51,580 --> 00:04:54,094 This was 1989, so you were 21! 42 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:59,131 And I... I know you lost your parents, 43 00:04:59,220 --> 00:05:03,418 and I know school hadn't worked out for you and I know life had been tough. 44 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:04,535 But this? 45 00:05:06,100 --> 00:05:09,092 So, please... Please explain to me, what happened in your life 46 00:05:09,180 --> 00:05:13,014 that made having sex with men for money your only option? 47 00:05:19,260 --> 00:05:20,375 I don't know. 48 00:05:25,180 --> 00:05:27,011 I just... 49 00:05:31,340 --> 00:05:32,932 I'd lost my way. 50 00:05:36,340 --> 00:05:37,739 And this man, the one that died. 51 00:05:38,140 --> 00:05:40,096 I was abroad when he died, Hass, it wasn't me. 52 00:05:40,220 --> 00:05:41,369 Where? 53 00:05:41,460 --> 00:05:42,688 It was when I was in Italy. 54 00:05:43,420 --> 00:05:45,934 You've heard me talk about Italy a million times, it was then. 55 00:05:46,140 --> 00:05:48,096 And you can prove that, can you, the specific dates? 56 00:05:48,180 --> 00:05:50,853 To you or the police? 57 00:05:51,900 --> 00:05:53,049 To the police. 58 00:05:53,460 --> 00:05:54,575 I don't know, I think so. 59 00:05:56,180 --> 00:05:58,091 I think I have photos, but I'd need to check. 60 00:05:58,580 --> 00:06:00,252 But if I can't, Hass, 61 00:06:01,220 --> 00:06:03,529 I swear on our children's lives, 62 00:06:04,060 --> 00:06:06,449 whatever happened to him, it wasn't me. 63 00:06:09,500 --> 00:06:11,058 I'm going to sleep in the spare room tonight. 64 00:06:11,140 --> 00:06:12,892 - Please, Hassan... - We never speak to anyone else 65 00:06:13,020 --> 00:06:15,978 about this, Sara. It never leaves our house. 66 00:06:16,860 --> 00:06:18,134 Please. Ever. 67 00:06:20,340 --> 00:06:23,332 You've... You've broken my heart, my love. 68 00:06:25,860 --> 00:06:27,088 You've broken my heart. 69 00:07:03,540 --> 00:07:05,098 Thank you for coming with me. 70 00:07:05,740 --> 00:07:07,617 It helped, having you there. 71 00:07:08,860 --> 00:07:11,818 You know, um, my kids, they're not much younger than you, 72 00:07:11,900 --> 00:07:14,653 and, erm, their dad, he died, when they were little. 73 00:07:16,740 --> 00:07:19,937 And I know it's different, because you've only just learnt about... 74 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:23,976 But if you ever wanted to compare notes, 75 00:07:25,060 --> 00:07:28,450 over a beer, I think they'd be very happy to. 76 00:07:30,340 --> 00:07:35,937 You know there's something not right with me, don't you? 77 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:40,054 And with my "wiring". 78 00:07:40,620 --> 00:07:44,613 So this is, what I'm saying is, erm, I'd like a beer, 79 00:07:45,260 --> 00:07:49,458 but I never really get asked, so, erm... 80 00:07:50,660 --> 00:07:51,934 I might be shit at it. 81 00:07:52,020 --> 00:07:55,615 Well, luckily they're both very good at "beer", 82 00:07:56,140 --> 00:07:58,131 so I'm sure they could show you the ropes. 83 00:07:59,700 --> 00:08:00,849 Shall I text you with some dates? 84 00:08:00,940 --> 00:08:03,454 Yeah. Yeah. I'd like that. 85 00:08:03,740 --> 00:08:04,775 Okay. 86 00:08:04,860 --> 00:08:06,054 Er, thanks again. 87 00:08:14,660 --> 00:08:16,969 - Hope you feel better. - Thanks, sweetheart. 88 00:08:17,420 --> 00:08:18,648 - Bye, Mum. - Bye. 89 00:08:19,740 --> 00:08:20,968 - Yousef? - I'm late! 90 00:08:34,900 --> 00:08:38,017 And we haven't been able to locate any details of your movements 91 00:08:38,100 --> 00:08:41,570 between your last contact with David and when you reported him missing, 92 00:08:41,780 --> 00:08:44,977 so, er, is it possible that you could just, you know, 93 00:08:45,060 --> 00:08:46,254 jot something down for us? 94 00:08:47,100 --> 00:08:50,649 You want me to remember what I was doing for 48 hours, 27 years ago? 95 00:08:51,420 --> 00:08:55,936 Tragically, I'm sure those few days are ingrained in your memory. 96 00:08:58,820 --> 00:09:00,094 Yeah, I'll do my best. 97 00:09:00,780 --> 00:09:03,453 Thank you, Tessa. Speak to you soon. 98 00:09:03,540 --> 00:09:04,655 Yeah. 99 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:10,370 Okay. So what about Colin? 100 00:09:10,860 --> 00:09:13,738 I presume that a place like the Maudsley is secure? 101 00:09:13,820 --> 00:09:16,778 Well, it'd have secure units, but it's not a prison, 102 00:09:16,860 --> 00:09:18,578 so I'd imagine if you wanted to get out, you could. 103 00:09:20,540 --> 00:09:21,575 To kill a man. 104 00:09:24,300 --> 00:09:25,813 Fran's talking to the hospital today, 105 00:09:25,980 --> 00:09:28,335 checking up on what records they have of her. 106 00:09:30,620 --> 00:09:32,417 And any joy with Sinead Quinn? 107 00:09:32,820 --> 00:09:36,130 Not yet. We do know that she was released from Holloway Prison 108 00:09:36,220 --> 00:09:37,414 under the Good Friday Agreement, but... 109 00:09:37,540 --> 00:09:39,656 - Yeah. ...that's about it so far. 110 00:09:42,180 --> 00:09:43,374 Okay. 111 00:09:46,860 --> 00:09:47,975 - Marion? - Hmm? 112 00:09:48,060 --> 00:09:50,130 Zoe was supposed to be here for an 11:30 chemo? 113 00:09:51,060 --> 00:09:52,652 Oh, do you want me to call her parents? 114 00:09:52,900 --> 00:09:54,015 Er, no, it's fine, I'll do it. 115 00:10:00,940 --> 00:10:03,932 Mr Osborne left us in late March, 1990, 116 00:10:04,020 --> 00:10:07,979 following an incident here, on the evening of March the 16th, 1990. 117 00:10:09,180 --> 00:10:11,535 An allegation was made by a temp, by the name of, 118 00:10:11,620 --> 00:10:13,019 er, Maria Gonzalez, 119 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:16,012 that at some point during a bonus celebration party, 120 00:10:16,900 --> 00:10:19,812 a serious sexual assault was perpetrated by Mr Osborne, 121 00:10:19,980 --> 00:10:23,052 on Ms Gonzalez, in an office lavatory cubicle. 122 00:10:23,860 --> 00:10:25,498 What sexual assault? 123 00:10:26,740 --> 00:10:28,059 Er, she said he raped her. 124 00:10:31,820 --> 00:10:34,937 Sorry, we've done a full sweep of Mr Osborne's criminal history 125 00:10:35,460 --> 00:10:37,576 and there's no record of any rape allegation. 126 00:10:38,180 --> 00:10:40,011 Well, no, there wouldn't be. 127 00:10:41,740 --> 00:10:43,298 It was handled internally. 128 00:10:45,580 --> 00:10:47,969 For various reasons, it was never reported to the police. 129 00:11:02,740 --> 00:11:04,651 - I'm sorry. - Are you dumb, bruv? 130 00:11:04,740 --> 00:11:06,173 Leave him alone. 131 00:11:08,060 --> 00:11:09,573 Hey, Yousef? Come on, what's up? 132 00:11:25,340 --> 00:11:28,332 So you are not under arrest, and you're free to end this interview 133 00:11:28,420 --> 00:11:29,569 whenever you like. 134 00:11:30,540 --> 00:11:33,179 So, can I ask you, Sara, what services you offered? 135 00:11:34,380 --> 00:11:35,574 Just normal. 136 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:37,415 Just straight sex? 137 00:11:38,420 --> 00:11:39,455 Yeah. 138 00:11:39,540 --> 00:11:41,770 Which is what your friend Samir Khan said. 139 00:11:43,780 --> 00:11:47,056 However, we do now know that, er, 140 00:11:48,460 --> 00:11:51,691 David Walker's sexual tastes were not that normal. 141 00:11:52,540 --> 00:11:56,249 That he both liked to hurt and be hurt by women. 142 00:11:58,860 --> 00:12:01,533 University College Hospital, less than a couple of 100 yards 143 00:12:01,620 --> 00:12:03,053 from your old King's Cross flat. 144 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:07,854 Do you remember attending UCH AandE 145 00:12:07,980 --> 00:12:10,733 on the 16th of February, 1990? 146 00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:12,379 The evening of the same day, in fact, 147 00:12:12,460 --> 00:12:16,419 that you sent your address to David Walker's pager. 148 00:12:18,340 --> 00:12:19,375 No. 149 00:12:20,420 --> 00:12:23,139 Well, the hospital records show 150 00:12:23,220 --> 00:12:25,859 that you presented with a suspected dislocated jaw. 151 00:12:26,100 --> 00:12:31,254 You don't recall sustaining this rather serious injury? 152 00:12:33,340 --> 00:12:36,377 Not really, it was an occupational hazard. 153 00:12:37,020 --> 00:12:38,339 Well, indeed. 154 00:12:40,060 --> 00:12:43,132 And we we're wondering whether it was David Walker that inflicted this injury. 155 00:12:44,300 --> 00:12:45,415 I don't remember him. 156 00:12:45,580 --> 00:12:46,933 And the next time he turned up, 157 00:12:47,180 --> 00:12:48,693 - he got even more violent with you... - No. 158 00:12:48,780 --> 00:12:51,692 - And in self-defence... - No, I don't remember this man, and... 159 00:12:52,780 --> 00:12:54,691 When he was murdered, I was living in Italy. 160 00:12:55,740 --> 00:13:00,256 So you say you left the UK in March, Sara, 161 00:13:00,420 --> 00:13:02,251 and you went to Europe for nine months? 162 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:03,974 I don't "say it", I did. 163 00:13:05,420 --> 00:13:06,739 Where did you stay? 164 00:13:07,300 --> 00:13:09,814 Hostels, pensions. I moved around. 165 00:13:10,100 --> 00:13:11,328 - Was that on your own? - Yeah. 166 00:13:11,780 --> 00:13:15,090 - Did you work? - Yeah, in bars and clubs. 167 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:19,131 - So, you have no payslips or... - It was cash in hand. 168 00:13:19,420 --> 00:13:21,775 And did you make any friends who could vouch for you? 169 00:13:22,180 --> 00:13:26,014 I made friends, yeah, er, the sort you do on holiday, but... 170 00:13:27,220 --> 00:13:29,688 None I could remember 30 years later. 171 00:13:29,780 --> 00:13:30,895 Mmm. 172 00:13:34,500 --> 00:13:36,889 We just need some proof, Sara, that you... 173 00:13:36,980 --> 00:13:39,050 I've already said, check... 174 00:13:40,380 --> 00:13:42,177 Passport records or however you do it. 175 00:13:42,580 --> 00:13:46,095 We're in the process of doing that, but it's not that easy, 176 00:13:46,860 --> 00:13:50,057 so anything else you can give us will be enormously helpful. 177 00:13:54,380 --> 00:13:56,610 Okay, thank you for your time. 178 00:13:58,140 --> 00:13:59,209 Thanks. 179 00:14:01,580 --> 00:14:02,979 Sorry, one thing. 180 00:14:05,140 --> 00:14:08,496 Just upping sticks like that, and heading off abroad for nine months, 181 00:14:09,620 --> 00:14:11,099 that's quite a big deal, isn't it? 182 00:14:12,860 --> 00:14:14,737 Anything in particular prompt that move? 183 00:14:15,180 --> 00:14:17,535 It wasn't any one thing if that's what you're implying. 184 00:14:19,540 --> 00:14:20,655 It was my life. 185 00:14:22,580 --> 00:14:24,855 I knew if I'd stayed any longer I would have died. 186 00:14:26,740 --> 00:14:28,139 And I wanted to live. 187 00:14:29,900 --> 00:14:31,015 We'll be in touch. 188 00:14:49,140 --> 00:14:51,256 Well, the parents thought she was here, so when I called, 189 00:14:51,340 --> 00:14:53,296 they then looked in her room and they found her diary. 190 00:14:53,860 --> 00:14:56,090 Were you drinking with her two nights ago, Marion? 191 00:14:56,180 --> 00:14:57,579 Absolutely not. 192 00:14:57,780 --> 00:15:01,136 I mean, I was in the pub, but I went there on my own. 193 00:15:01,340 --> 00:15:03,058 But you told her to leave, that she was underage, 194 00:15:03,140 --> 00:15:04,892 - and it was completely inappropriate? - Yes, I did. 195 00:15:04,980 --> 00:15:07,289 Well, then, can you explain why it says in her diary 196 00:15:07,620 --> 00:15:09,338 that you bought her a Malibu and orange. 197 00:15:11,620 --> 00:15:13,372 - I bought her one drink. - Oh... 198 00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:15,650 And then I let her sit with me for two minutes and then I left. 199 00:15:18,260 --> 00:15:20,649 Okay, well, I need to speak to my line manager, 200 00:15:20,740 --> 00:15:21,775 actually I think you need to go home. 201 00:15:21,860 --> 00:15:23,373 - What? - How can you not get 202 00:15:23,460 --> 00:15:25,416 that this has completely overstepped the boundaries? 203 00:15:25,500 --> 00:15:27,297 - Nicola, please... - She's a 17-year-old kid 204 00:15:27,380 --> 00:15:29,575 with a very weakened immune system. 205 00:15:29,780 --> 00:15:31,975 And you're meant to be caring for her, not getting her drunk. 206 00:15:32,060 --> 00:15:33,573 - Nicola... - Look, your judgement's gone. 207 00:15:33,660 --> 00:15:35,412 I'm so sorry. I... I... 208 00:15:38,580 --> 00:15:40,377 I'm not in a very good place at home at the moment, 209 00:15:40,460 --> 00:15:42,735 there's a few things in my personal life that are going wrong. 210 00:15:42,820 --> 00:15:44,538 Can you please just let me speak to the parents? 211 00:15:44,620 --> 00:15:46,212 Nope, you're going absolutely nowhere near the parents, 212 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:48,495 they're on their way over here now. I can tell you they're not happy. 213 00:15:49,020 --> 00:15:51,534 - Go home, Marion. - Did she... Did she say anything, 214 00:15:51,620 --> 00:15:53,053 in her diary, about where she was going? 215 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:57,418 No, and she's not answering her phone. No one has any idea where she is. 216 00:16:12,140 --> 00:16:14,700 And it was a woman who made the allegation? 217 00:16:14,780 --> 00:16:16,099 Yes, why? 218 00:16:17,220 --> 00:16:18,778 Because Colin Osborne's gay. 219 00:16:20,260 --> 00:16:21,488 Right. 220 00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:25,055 Well, I'm gonna try and track her down 221 00:16:25,140 --> 00:16:27,938 and I've got the name of the lawyer from Klein Egerton 222 00:16:28,020 --> 00:16:30,659 who handled it at the time, and I think he's still alive. 223 00:16:32,340 --> 00:16:34,490 - We'll speak to you later. - Okay, Guv. 224 00:16:37,140 --> 00:16:39,574 So maybe it was this that actually prompted his breakdown. 225 00:16:39,900 --> 00:16:42,334 The timing seems a bit coincidental, doesn't it? 226 00:16:44,820 --> 00:16:46,776 Although, how it connects to David Walker... 227 00:16:46,860 --> 00:16:48,259 If it even does. 228 00:16:48,860 --> 00:16:51,169 If it even does. Yeah. 229 00:17:03,780 --> 00:17:05,179 You took your time, fam. 230 00:17:13,540 --> 00:17:15,849 Whatever it is, bruv, it can't be that bad. 231 00:17:17,060 --> 00:17:18,812 Mate, I'm telling you. 232 00:17:19,860 --> 00:17:21,578 Yeah, except you ain't. 233 00:17:24,820 --> 00:17:26,776 You got to swear, Mus, you never tell anyone. 234 00:17:26,860 --> 00:17:28,771 Not Ollie, not Piot, no one. 235 00:17:29,420 --> 00:17:31,456 I promise, man, it's cool. 236 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:49,691 S'up? This is Zoe, leave a voicemail. 237 00:18:03,460 --> 00:18:05,496 Marion? You okay? 238 00:18:05,580 --> 00:18:06,854 I'm in trouble, Tony. 239 00:18:07,860 --> 00:18:09,452 - Where are you? - Borough Market. 240 00:18:09,980 --> 00:18:12,255 Okay, stay there, I'm coming now. 241 00:18:44,620 --> 00:18:45,689 We need more. 242 00:18:49,540 --> 00:18:51,815 We need to buy furniture and stuff, five ain't enough. 243 00:18:53,140 --> 00:18:54,653 I told your boyfriend, no more. 244 00:19:00,980 --> 00:19:02,049 I'll tell them about the car. 245 00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:04,893 Go ahead, tell them, you're not getting another fucking cent out of me. 246 00:19:54,180 --> 00:19:56,091 - Boss? - Jake. 247 00:19:56,180 --> 00:19:59,331 So, I just had a phone call off the woman that researched 248 00:19:59,420 --> 00:20:02,014 - the society photos of David Walker? - Right. 249 00:20:02,300 --> 00:20:05,531 This is the woman from the local Conservative Party office? 250 00:20:05,620 --> 00:20:07,212 Yeah, name of Mandy Halcross. 251 00:20:07,940 --> 00:20:11,455 It turns out she's worked there for years, in one capacity or another, 252 00:20:11,540 --> 00:20:15,089 but her very first job there was in 1989, 253 00:20:15,260 --> 00:20:16,978 her mum ran the canteen 254 00:20:17,060 --> 00:20:19,016 and she used to help out during the summer holidays. 255 00:20:19,420 --> 00:20:20,569 Right. 256 00:20:22,180 --> 00:20:26,810 So she was 12 years old in the summer of '89. 257 00:20:29,260 --> 00:20:31,569 And she's never told anyone this before, 258 00:20:31,660 --> 00:20:33,616 as she said she's always felt too ashamed, 259 00:20:33,740 --> 00:20:38,734 but she just told me that during that five-week holiday period, 260 00:20:38,820 --> 00:20:40,253 on two separate occasions, 261 00:20:41,460 --> 00:20:43,416 David Walker sexually assaulted her. 262 00:20:48,060 --> 00:20:50,096 - Boss, you there? - Yeah, I'm here. 263 00:20:51,900 --> 00:20:53,458 How credible did you feel she was? 264 00:20:53,540 --> 00:20:54,973 Well... 265 00:20:55,060 --> 00:20:58,018 There were no witnesses, there'll be no forensic, 266 00:20:58,100 --> 00:21:02,651 er, the suspect's dead, so all I've got to go on here is instinct. 267 00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:05,818 And I believed her. 268 00:21:07,020 --> 00:21:10,456 It's nearly 30 years since this happened to her, 269 00:21:10,540 --> 00:21:12,929 I'm the first person she's ever told, and... 270 00:21:14,180 --> 00:21:16,694 It still ripped her apart when she did. 271 00:21:17,060 --> 00:21:20,496 There are no newspapers involved, there's no conspiracy websites, 272 00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:23,856 she has absolutely nothing to gain by telling me what she did. 273 00:21:26,660 --> 00:21:29,618 So, yeah, I believed her. 100%. 274 00:21:33,020 --> 00:21:34,772 Get everyone together for a full briefing, 275 00:21:34,860 --> 00:21:36,213 we'll be back in half an hour. 276 00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:37,689 Guv. 277 00:21:48,500 --> 00:21:50,377 I don't know the man that they're asking about. 278 00:21:50,460 --> 00:21:52,416 And of course I would never have hurt anyone. 279 00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:54,138 I mean, I know you know that. 280 00:21:54,220 --> 00:21:57,018 But the thing is the police have found out some other stuff 281 00:21:57,100 --> 00:21:59,978 about some people that I hung about with 282 00:22:00,060 --> 00:22:01,254 in the '80s that I shouldn't have. 283 00:22:01,340 --> 00:22:02,568 What people? 284 00:22:02,660 --> 00:22:06,209 I lived in a flat... I shared a flat. 285 00:22:06,340 --> 00:22:09,696 I shared... I shared a bed with a woman 286 00:22:10,380 --> 00:22:12,610 called Sinead Quinn, who, er... 287 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:17,492 She was a... A Republican. 288 00:22:18,220 --> 00:22:19,448 What do you mean a Republican? 289 00:22:20,580 --> 00:22:21,979 An Irish Republican... 290 00:22:22,915 --> 00:22:24,915 IRA 291 00:22:24,940 --> 00:22:25,975 No! 292 00:22:26,060 --> 00:22:27,493 - I was fucked-up, Tony... - When was this? 293 00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:28,695 Er, it was in the late '80s or so... 294 00:22:28,780 --> 00:22:31,340 This is... This is Enniskillen, 295 00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:32,853 - this is the Baltic Exchange! - I know. 296 00:22:33,300 --> 00:22:34,972 - How long were you with her for? - No more than a year. 297 00:22:35,060 --> 00:22:36,209 - A year? - No, I never met... 298 00:22:36,300 --> 00:22:37,813 - I never saw any of... - But you slept with someone 299 00:22:37,900 --> 00:22:39,697 who thinks that blowing up kids is an acceptable way to... 300 00:22:39,780 --> 00:22:40,849 Yeah, but like I said I was messed-up, Tony. 301 00:22:40,940 --> 00:22:42,419 Oh, yeah, we know you were messed-up, Marion, 302 00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:43,569 we've known that for years! 303 00:22:43,660 --> 00:22:45,776 What no one's ever had the remotest idea of is why? 304 00:22:48,980 --> 00:22:50,413 Jesus Christ! 305 00:22:52,060 --> 00:22:54,210 How two sisters from exactly the same upbringing... 306 00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:55,494 Yeah, I was wondering how long it would take 307 00:22:55,580 --> 00:22:57,013 before you brought my sister in to this. 308 00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:58,249 No, I'm not bringing your sister into this. 309 00:22:58,340 --> 00:22:59,375 Oh, God, if you think she's so marvellous, Tony, 310 00:22:59,460 --> 00:23:00,609 why didn't you just marry her? 311 00:23:00,700 --> 00:23:02,019 I mean, you've clearly always wanted to fuck her. 312 00:23:04,620 --> 00:23:06,451 Do you know? I have no idea who you are. 313 00:23:06,540 --> 00:23:07,814 Really? 314 00:23:08,580 --> 00:23:11,811 Oh, that's it. Walk away, off you go. 315 00:23:12,380 --> 00:23:13,449 Bye! 316 00:23:14,780 --> 00:23:16,372 You know what, Marion? 317 00:23:16,860 --> 00:23:19,249 I'm beginning to think you could have done anything! 318 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:25,815 If he abused a kid, I don't give a toss what happened to him in the past. 319 00:23:25,900 --> 00:23:28,494 In fact, if he was abused as a kid, it makes it almost worse, 320 00:23:28,580 --> 00:23:30,969 he'd know... He'd know how appalling it was. 321 00:23:33,620 --> 00:23:36,498 Except he would have been a very messed-up human being himself. 322 00:23:37,220 --> 00:23:38,255 Obviously. 323 00:23:38,340 --> 00:23:39,659 Yeah, sorry, don't buy that. 324 00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:43,410 What do you mean you "don't buy that"? 325 00:23:45,900 --> 00:23:48,175 That's just a fact, that's not my opinion. 326 00:23:48,340 --> 00:23:49,375 That's a f... 327 00:23:51,460 --> 00:23:53,496 Oh, for God's sake, come on, move! Move! 328 00:24:05,300 --> 00:24:06,653 What's up, bruv? 329 00:24:07,060 --> 00:24:09,335 Oh, my days, Jamal, you'll never guess what. 330 00:24:09,500 --> 00:24:10,569 What? 331 00:24:10,660 --> 00:24:11,854 Well, he told me not to say anything, but... 332 00:24:11,940 --> 00:24:13,009 What? 333 00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:25,495 Seriously, what do you mean you don't buy it? 334 00:24:27,340 --> 00:24:28,568 You really wanna get into this? 335 00:24:28,820 --> 00:24:30,890 A person who's been sexually abused as a child 336 00:24:30,980 --> 00:24:32,493 will be a very damaged... 337 00:24:32,620 --> 00:24:33,689 Yes, and? 338 00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:35,811 Doesn't give them the right to go and abuse other kids, does it? 339 00:24:35,940 --> 00:24:37,692 No, of course it doesn't give them the bloody right, 340 00:24:37,780 --> 00:24:39,611 I'm not talking about trying to justify it, 341 00:24:39,700 --> 00:24:41,258 I'm talking about trying to understand... 342 00:24:41,340 --> 00:24:42,898 Yeah, understanding paedophiles, nice. 343 00:24:42,980 --> 00:24:44,857 No. No, no. Whoa. No, no, hang on, hang on. 344 00:24:44,940 --> 00:24:48,410 When a kid who's been abused goes off the rails and does something awful, 345 00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:50,616 we don't just dismiss them as monsters, do we? 346 00:24:50,740 --> 00:24:52,537 Er, no, because they're children. 347 00:24:52,620 --> 00:24:56,169 Right, right, so when does that kid suddenly stop being deserving 348 00:24:56,260 --> 00:24:57,409 of some understanding? 349 00:24:57,820 --> 00:25:01,290 Is it on their 10th birthday? Or their 12th? Or their 14th? 350 00:25:01,940 --> 00:25:03,771 - How about when they're an adult? - Er, no. 351 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:05,897 That's when we let them take proper responsibility. 352 00:25:05,980 --> 00:25:08,096 And we punish them and we protect society from them. 353 00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:09,249 Why the hell does it also mean 354 00:25:09,340 --> 00:25:10,978 we suddenly just stop trying to understand them, 355 00:25:11,060 --> 00:25:12,413 so maybe they don't do it again? 356 00:25:13,780 --> 00:25:17,250 Because most abuse victims don't go and abuse others, 357 00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:21,289 and the ones that do, choose to. That is definitely beyond my understanding. 358 00:25:21,380 --> 00:25:22,779 Are we done? 359 00:25:31,140 --> 00:25:35,133 So, as of today, we are now splitting the investigation into two strands. 360 00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:37,290 The first will follow our existing line of enquiry, 361 00:25:37,380 --> 00:25:40,178 that one of our persons of interest murdered David Walker 362 00:25:40,260 --> 00:25:42,455 because of some connection around the time of his death. 363 00:25:42,660 --> 00:25:44,412 Sara Mahmoud's as a prostitute, 364 00:25:44,540 --> 00:25:48,692 we're looking at a possible IRA motive with Marion Kelsey. 365 00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:51,772 And his wife remains of interest, that's for obvious reasons. 366 00:25:51,860 --> 00:25:56,775 And then Colin Osborne, the only person so far that we've conclusively proved 367 00:25:56,860 --> 00:25:58,578 actually met David Walker. 368 00:25:58,820 --> 00:26:01,414 Murray, I want you to focus all your attention now 369 00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:03,809 on finding the Klein Egerton temp, Maria Gonzalez. 370 00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:07,051 And, Fran, we really need to speak to Sinead Quinn. 371 00:26:07,140 --> 00:26:10,974 And any news yet on Colin and Sara's alibis for May the eighth? 372 00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:13,255 - Still waiting on both, I'm afraid. - Okay, we keep on that. 373 00:26:15,020 --> 00:26:19,571 And then we move into very different territory. 374 00:26:21,500 --> 00:26:23,570 We already know that David Walker had a lot of secrets, 375 00:26:23,660 --> 00:26:27,175 and now it seems we've just found another. 376 00:26:27,740 --> 00:26:32,939 So, myself, Jake and DI Khan are starting a second line of inquiry, 377 00:26:33,020 --> 00:26:35,170 to investigate if David Walker was murdered 378 00:26:35,820 --> 00:26:38,937 not because he was going to expose what happened to him 379 00:26:39,260 --> 00:26:43,572 30 years before his death, and not because of any of these reasons, 380 00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:48,132 but maybe as retribution for sexual abuse he committed himself. 381 00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:52,295 Now, two of these, at least, 382 00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:56,934 Colin Osborne and Sara Mahmoud, have dysfunction in their lives 383 00:26:57,820 --> 00:27:00,812 very consistent with a childhood trauma. 384 00:27:01,140 --> 00:27:03,813 Now, all of them seem to have had some sort of connection 385 00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:05,970 with David Walker, in the months before he died. 386 00:27:08,220 --> 00:27:10,290 I think we have to consider the possibility 387 00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:14,373 that one and maybe all of them, 388 00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:18,694 were victims of David Walker as children 389 00:27:18,780 --> 00:27:20,691 and then years later took their revenge. 390 00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:26,051 So I want to interrogate every single aspect of David Walker's adult life, 391 00:27:26,580 --> 00:27:28,935 from when he left school to when he died. 392 00:27:31,140 --> 00:27:32,175 Okay? 393 00:27:34,300 --> 00:27:35,619 Thank you. 394 00:27:44,820 --> 00:27:46,538 I assume you're going to speak to the wife first? 395 00:27:48,380 --> 00:27:49,495 Why don't I do her? 396 00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:55,129 You start chasing down his past. 397 00:28:49,420 --> 00:28:50,455 Right. 398 00:28:50,540 --> 00:28:54,089 But obviously she can't read anything because you've got a password on it? 399 00:28:55,540 --> 00:28:56,814 Oh, Jesus, Col. 400 00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:58,579 I kept meaning to, I just... 401 00:29:00,740 --> 00:29:02,093 I forgot. I'm sorry. 402 00:29:03,620 --> 00:29:07,659 Right, well. What is on there then that we need to be worried about? 403 00:29:08,060 --> 00:29:09,049 Erm... 404 00:29:10,220 --> 00:29:12,859 You texted me after I told you about the police interviewing me... 405 00:29:14,260 --> 00:29:16,899 Oh, you are joking me! Jesus! Colin! 406 00:29:16,980 --> 00:29:18,095 I know, I know. 407 00:29:19,660 --> 00:29:22,936 Okay. Look, she's a smack addict, 408 00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:24,812 so chances are, 409 00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:27,689 ten minutes after she nicked it, she'd sold it for 20 quid. 410 00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:30,816 Chances are we will be fine. 411 00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:32,572 - Okay? - Daddy Simon! 412 00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:35,011 I think it's all gonna be absolutely fine. 413 00:29:36,140 --> 00:29:37,129 Coming. 414 00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:43,009 How? 415 00:29:43,940 --> 00:29:46,135 I'm not sure. I guess he must have heard us last night. 416 00:29:46,340 --> 00:29:48,376 And then told someone, who told someone. 417 00:29:48,780 --> 00:29:50,498 I think the school might know, as well. 418 00:29:50,740 --> 00:29:52,253 So we will have to tell the other two. 419 00:30:09,940 --> 00:30:14,297 My colleague, DI Khan, is speaking to Mrs Halcross again 420 00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:17,338 right now, but from the conversation we've already had with her, 421 00:30:17,940 --> 00:30:19,896 we're fairly confident that we're talking about 422 00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:23,097 the indecent assault of a child under 13. 423 00:30:26,980 --> 00:30:29,335 Oh. If this true, I promise you, 424 00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:32,858 I knew nothing, absolutely nothing about it. 425 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:38,856 Which is why I know you'll want to help us as much as you can. 426 00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:40,419 You don't need to use that. 427 00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:43,331 You know the voice we use to make them think we're their friend. 428 00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:45,376 I'll tell you what I know because I'm a decent person, 429 00:30:45,460 --> 00:30:46,939 not because I think you like me. 430 00:30:52,140 --> 00:30:56,179 When we first met, you mentioned that David did some voluntary work? 431 00:30:58,380 --> 00:30:59,938 What sort of stuff exactly? 432 00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:07,700 He worked at our local hospital. 433 00:31:08,060 --> 00:31:10,699 Erm... At a nearby reform school. 434 00:31:18,820 --> 00:31:21,209 He did stuff for a local children's charity. 435 00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:26,897 I'm going to need an exact list, please. 436 00:31:28,340 --> 00:31:30,729 The names of the institutions, and dates. 437 00:31:32,220 --> 00:31:34,609 And the timeline I asked for, 438 00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:37,294 detailing your movements in the days before his death. 439 00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:39,774 Jason, Jason, no! 440 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,992 He was in tears afterwards. 441 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,388 Er... Good. 442 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,073 Incredibly apologetic. 443 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,909 But I just think he's got enough crap to deal with right now. 444 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,910 - Assaulting a police officer... - It wasn't an assault. 445 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,831 Is an incredibly serious offence, Guv. 446 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,390 No, it was an accident. He was highly emotional. 447 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,119 I don't care whether it was an accident or not, it's just... 448 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,315 I'm fine. 449 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,158 Well, let's just hope he doesn't go on to do something more serious, eh? 450 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,514 I'll see you tomorrow. 451 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,669 Night. 452 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,434 Grub's up. 453 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:28,675 What is it? 454 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,038 You're drying up. What is it you want? 455 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,632 Just thought it might make you smile. 456 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,511 'Cause you haven't, in a while. 457 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,394 - That's rubbish, I smile loads. - Do you? 458 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,113 Well, I would, if you two didn't spend half your lives 459 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,713 trying to drive me 'round the bloody bend. 460 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:55,955 We don't do it deliberately. 461 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,156 I'm sorry, Gem. It's just... 462 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,676 Work's hard and I'm tired. 463 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,554 You want us to stay at Mum's this weekend, to give you some time off? 464 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,869 No. 465 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,275 Not at all. 466 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,153 We thought we should tell you the truth 467 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,958 before you heard it from anyone else, and... 468 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,317 I'm going to speak to the school tomorrow, let them know what's happened. 469 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,876 What are my friends gonna say? Hmm? 470 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,709 Maybe it might be an idea for you to take a few days off, 471 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,674 till things blow over. 472 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,072 Do you know the way I deal with it, Ali? 473 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,549 I just see that woman as a different person. 474 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,957 Sara Alazi was not your mum. 475 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,360 Sara Mahmoud is who she is... 476 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,714 Your lovely mum, my lovely wife. 477 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,353 They're gonna rip the piss out of me. 478 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,237 Ali, there is no need to swear, all right? 479 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,517 - It's disgusting. It's disgusting. - Sweetheart. Please. I'm sorry. 480 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,631 - Get off me! - Ali, stop it! 481 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:06,869 Get off me! 482 00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:24,037 - What the hell have you done? - Don't blame me! 483 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,155 You were the one that told everyone. 484 00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:26,992 She was the one who did it in the first place. 485 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,036 - "She"? Who the hell's "She"? - Leave me alone. 486 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,678 That's our mother you're talking about... 487 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,716 Ahmed! Shush! Calm down. 488 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:39,310 - So where is he now? - Egham. 489 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,197 They moved there from Winchester. 490 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,395 But you've not been there. 491 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,075 Not yet. 492 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,116 So you are planning to go there? 493 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,869 Yes. 494 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,593 And what you planning on saying when you go to Egham? 495 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,799 With his wife there, who's... 496 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,113 ...probably never knew anything about it, either. 497 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,311 I'll wait till he goes outside on his own. 498 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,478 Right. What, and follow him? 499 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,711 Okay, and then what? Shoestring? 500 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,152 I'll introduce myself. 501 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,239 Mmm... Mmm... 502 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:20,559 So, talk me through that. 503 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,516 "Hi. Hi, I'm Martin. 504 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,435 "You had sex with my wife 20 years ago. Just wondered if we could chat?" 505 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,438 It's probably borderline illegal what you're doing anyway, 506 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,876 and I can't imagine for one second it's gonna make you feel better. 507 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,833 I mean, he's... 508 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,870 ...rich and hilarious and super smart. 509 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,875 Does that make you feel better? 510 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,599 Or he's a horrible runty little goblin with halitosis. 511 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,355 Does that? 512 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,235 Or he's ordinary. Like you, 513 00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,639 Like me. Just walking... 514 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,832 Don't make a joke about this please, with Adam. 515 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,108 What do you mean, make a... Make a joke? 516 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,031 You do that sometimes, and you find everything's funny... 517 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,872 I absolutely do not, that is... 518 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,989 Hey, guys. 519 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,069 - Hi. - Hi. 520 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:19,949 What happened to your face? 521 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,389 Oh, it's... I, er... It's a work thing, it's... 522 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,118 Granddad, have you been beating Mum again? 523 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,239 Not yet, but give it a few days, she's a cheeky little sod. 524 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,079 Right, beer, and you can make an old man very happy, 525 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,713 and tell me about your girlfriend. 526 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,956 I have to put my child first, Tess. 527 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,713 I know you'll understand that. 528 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,359 He'd never hurt Becca, he loves her. 529 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,911 I'm not really talking about physical violence. 530 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,515 No, no, no, no, Paul. 531 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,073 She's 15... 532 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,429 Oh... 533 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,517 How can you even begin to suggest... 534 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,353 Well, you clearly had no idea what sort of person your husband was. 535 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,952 Why should it be any different with Jason? 536 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,274 Because I'm his mother. 537 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,472 And he's his father's son. 538 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,032 I'm sorry, I really am. 539 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,879 But Becca is my only concern right now. 540 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,033 I'll call you, er... 541 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,354 We'll be staying at my sister's for now. 542 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,431 I just need a little time, Tess, 543 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,392 to work out what's best for us all. 544 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:53,995 I do love you. 545 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,799 Sara? 546 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:32,915 Sara! 547 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,114 Sara, are you there? 548 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,558 If you can hear me, Sara, 549 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,992 I just want you to know we're all here for you, 550 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,239 if you want to talk, any of you. 551 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,277 Well, yes. There were some rumours. 552 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,955 About how Mr Walker was with some of the kids on the ward. 553 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:14,915 Personally, I never saw anything, of course. 554 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:17,669 Of course. 555 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,873 Yeah. Quinn. Yeah, that's right. 556 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,273 Er, she was released as part of the Good Friday Agreement. 557 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,757 And we are looking for any kind of address, er, after December, '99. 558 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,918 That'll be great. 559 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,111 It was a kid's charity and Walker was a volunteer, 560 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,156 who I did have suspicions about. 561 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,950 But, obviously, I didn't know anything for sure, 562 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,188 or I would have reported it. 563 00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,794 Obviously. 564 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,876 - How was your mum? - Irritating. 565 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,234 Any word from Zoe? 566 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,595 Yeah. Yeah. She's texted her parents, she's fine. 567 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,678 But, er, she's two days now without any care, so... 568 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,594 And what about us? 569 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,680 I don't know. That's up to you, I suppose. If you can forgive me. 570 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,718 No, Maz, it isn't up to me. 571 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,990 'Cause ever since I've known you, 572 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,628 there's been this great, big wall around you 573 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,718 that's always stopped me getting past a certain point. 574 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,758 And the simple fact is, 575 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,277 that if you want us to survive, 576 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,350 you've got to take it down. 577 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,109 Mr Osborne. 578 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,035 Mr Osborne. 579 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:11,755 - Mr Osborne. - I'm sorry? 580 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,199 Your daughter's school just called, 581 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,316 apparently you were meant to be there to pick her up an hour ago. 582 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,510 Oh, my God! I'm sorry, excuse me, sorry. 583 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,679 Thank you. 584 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,320 Oh, I'm so, so sorry. 585 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,950 I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. 586 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,358 Come on. Come here. Let's go. 587 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,115 Yes, I was at that reform school, 588 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,156 and yes, we all knew what David Walker was, 589 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,429 but... 590 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,191 We were kids who'd broken the law. 591 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,197 Who was ever going to believe a word we said? 592 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,799 The truth is, a lot of them didn't mind anyway. 593 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,035 'Cause if they got friendly with him, 594 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,239 did what he wanted, 595 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,872 they'd get invited to the gatherings. 596 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,309 The gatherings? 597 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:48,755 Sinead Quinn? 598 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,239 You're a hard woman to find. 599 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,639 DC Fran Lingley. 600 00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:55,950 I wonder if you could spare me five minutes of your time. 601 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,993 He just got his days mixed up. 602 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,799 All I would say is if you felt a family session could help, 603 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:01,869 to talk about 604 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,234 time management and stuff... 605 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,550 Yeah, absolutely. No, great idea. 606 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,153 Do you need to get that? 607 00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:09,959 Yeah, sorry, that's probably him, on his way back home with Flora. 608 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,954 No problem, I'll let you get off, and tell him not to worry, 609 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,149 we've all been there. 610 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,753 Great, thank you, Janet. Speak tomorrow. 611 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:16,949 Okay, great. Bye. 612 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:19,999 - Col... - Is that Simon? 613 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,355 Who's that? 614 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,428 It's Tyler, how you doing? 615 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,515 What do you want? 616 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,199 Straight to the point, I like that. 617 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,796 Well, since you ask, what we want is 20 grand. 618 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,237 Or we tell Social Services about your husband 619 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,958 being interviewed in connection with a murder. 620 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,394 Our witness, an Ellen Harriet Price, 621 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,790 told us that a number of these "gatherings" took place 622 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,952 between 1981 and 1983 623 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,035 and they were held at a house in Brentford, and Walker was a regular, 624 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,513 as were a number of other men from various, er, walks of life. 625 00:43:57,720 --> 00:43:59,472 But, most importantly, 626 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,519 they were also regularly attended by children from local care homes, 627 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,791 local borstals, and from the streets. 628 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,437 Now these vulnerable kids were plied with drink, and often drugs, 629 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,109 and then, on a number of occasions, sexually assaulted. 630 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,270 Now, I think we need to consider the possibility that one of these people 631 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,036 was taken to this house, assaulted by Walker, 632 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:28,159 and then eight or nine years later, they've come across him again 633 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,713 and they've decided to take revenge. 634 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,713 The question is which? 635 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,436 The IRA wouldn't have touched her with a shitty stick. 636 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,509 Right. 637 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,115 She was just a messed-up middle-class kid wanting to piss off Mummy and Daddy. 638 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,476 In fact, her commitment to the cause 639 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,552 was pretty accurately demonstrated when the police knocked on her door 640 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,232 about me, a few years later. 641 00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:58,550 Did you ever see her with this man? 642 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,075 No. 643 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,829 But she showed me a photo of him once. 644 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,589 Really? 645 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,710 - This man? You're sure? - Yeah, I'm sure. 646 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:14,789 In what context? 647 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,277 She said he worked for the Tories, had connections with Thatcher? 648 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,792 She thought he was a potential target. 649 00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:22,994 A target? 650 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,032 We weren't interested, too small time, 651 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:29,314 but, aye, she wanted us to kill him. 652 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,400 Ripped and Corrected By mstoll March 2017 653 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,400 Ripped and Corrected By mstoll Released on www.Addic7ed.com